End of The Spear Controversy part II

I really can't stand when scripture is taken out of context so I kind of don't like dropping some on people with out the rest of the story but I just felt I should tonight.

I was so moved by "Beyond The Gates Of Splendor". I felt like every person in the world should see it and that of course they would get from it exactly what I did. That didn't happen. I thought for sure that if butterfly saw it she would see that God cares for and wants to save the worst of us. Murderers, haters of God and that the light would come on and bam! "I get it, I'm a mess but I'm also made in the image of God, he has given me a choice, right now, always, decide and be free, stay where you are and be bound so tight I can no longer even feel the sting". But she didn't think that. I was sad but then the light clicked in my head and said "You aren't God, you aren't Butterfly, you don't know what He is working in her. A thick wall can be taken down with one hit but if it is constantly being refortified by the occupant, it may take a chipping away of an obscure section of the wall, that even the occupant doesn't notice is becoming an opening and slowly the light is seeping in-always expect a miracle!" Love, mercy, grace are the only things that takes down thick walls.

So, here I am researching all the publicity surrounding the dramatic movie release of this story. I stated my view in a recent post and every time I visited one of the "boycott the movie sites" I just got furious. Do these people watch Chariots of Fire? The lead actor died of AIDS and was gay. Yet it is hailed as one of the few "Christian" movies. Passion of the Christ, considered one of the all time best adaptations of the last hours of Christ life, yet Mel Gibson has even recently made TV shows that are not "Christian" in context of word but no out cry about that. Why does it make Christians so mad that a gay man is acting out the part of a Christian? Why are they not madder that they didn't think of a way to reach these hurting people? The great evangelist of the world don't know what to do with the gay community. They see it taking over our media, our entertainment, schools, everything and what they are doing to stop it, isn't working. Oh, yea, it's just a lost and dieing world so lets just chalk it up to "End times". Well, these are people, lost hurting souls that we are called to reach whether we like it or not.I read this stuff and think "It sounds like they would rather the whole gay community have yet another reason to think Christians hate them then to be a light and reach them". If you want to stop this country from becoming Sodom and Gomora, you better be ready to act like Jesus, not some ranting Pharasie. Shut up the "I'm so offended" garbage and start acting like Jesus. Go feed some starving people, cloth the naked, change the diaper of an old man dieing of AIDS, and I bet you will forget your rant because you will remember Jesus. And just maybe He will click a light on in the persons mind that you are serving and a life will be changed forever..

Titus 3
Doing What is Good
...to be ready to do whatever is good,
2 to slander no one, to be peaceable and considerate, and to show true humility toward all men.
3 At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another.
4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared,
5 he saved us,
not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,
6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life.
8 This is a trustworthy saying. And I want you to stress these things, so that those who have trusted in God may be careful to devote themselves to doing what is good. These things are excellent and profitable for everyone.
9 But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. ...

Comments

Anonymous said…
Yes we are called to reach the world for Christ but the person must want to be reached or at least the HS must be wooing them in order for them to fully come to Christ. But the gay community has an agenda and that is for us to accept their lifestyle. They dont' want to hear how Jesus can change them b/c they dont' want to change. Homesexuality and Chrisitanity are not compatible no matter how you look at it. When the Christian community tries to speak out and speak the Gospel, they are shut down and called biggots. Now granted there are some Christians who go about speaking to them in the wrong manner, I get that. But there has got to be some out there that do it right! But its' the ones who do it wrong that are shown in the media. The gay community has become louder than us for that we should be ashamed. We have let them shut us up b/c they said we offend them.
I did not see Chariots of Fire, I was not saved at the time it came out. I still havne't seen it and have only recently found out what it was about and was surprised. I still don't think gays should be acting in a so called "christian" movie...especially when the movie doesn't ever say Christs name once. That is what missionaries are for, to speak the name of Christ. But from what I hear Christ is not mentioned at all in this movie. The gay community that will see this movie may only walk away with the feeling that it is ok to be who they are. Well it's not! God does love the person but he does not like the sin. And yes sin is sin but my sin is forgiven. It died on the cross the minute I accepted Christ, past, present and future sin.
I still do not agree with the lead for this movie. I strongly feel it sends the wrong signals. Had Mel Gibson got a gay person to play the lead in The Passion, I would feel the same way.
Carole Turner said…
Yes, the movie does not mention Christ. This movie is not trying to reach the church, it is trying to tell a true story of redemption and transformation of an entire tribe of people. But by not preaching, it leaves room for discovery and discussion of the "Why's". A seed is a seed, very small and it may be a pointer in the right direction. I haven't seen it but I read a review in the Washington Times that says it is preachy, overly religious and insulting to the audience if the producers don't think people are gonna know what they are trying to tell them. See, to me, I think most American's especially have heard about Jesus they just haven't seen Him in most Christians. What causes people to stop being killers? Give up the homosexual life style? Only Jesus can change a heart. It is obvious in this story but even if it's not it will get people talking just like the passion did. It's not a movies job to minister to the lost, it's ours, the movie is just a tool.
As far as they gay guy in the lead. We don't know what is going on in his life. Do you remember Norma Jean McCurry? She was Roe Vs Wade, she had been a lesbian for 20 yrs. She was won over by the kindness and grace shown her by the Operation Rescue people that had their offices right next to Planned Parenthood in Dallas. She was a harsh critic of Christians, fought to kill babies and was living a life of sin with her girlfriend. Do you know that when she got saved the leader of operation rescue was asked why her and her girlfriend were together at church? He told the reported that she was newly saved and somethings take longer to get free from but they just wanted to tell her the truth-that sets us free and then to love her and help her grow in Christ. She was now a spokes person, giving interviews about her salvation but was still living as a lesbian. My point is, we don't know what will become of Chads life. He has been touched by God but he is clouded by many other religions and a bondage many know little of. We need to pray that He gets saved because the seed was planted. Imagine what it was like to be around Steve Saint and Mincayani (the native who killed Steve's father and is now a missionary dentist to India)I feel sure Chad saw Jesus in them much cleared then he is in the "boycot the movie" people.

Luke 15
The Parable of the Lost Sheep
1Now the tax collectors and "sinners" were all gathering around to hear him. 2But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law muttered, "This man welcomes sinners and eats with them."

3Then Jesus told them this parable: 4"Suppose one of you has a hundred sheep and loses one of them. Does he not leave the ninety-nine in the open country and go after the lost sheep until he finds it? 5And when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders 6and goes home. Then he calls his friends and neighbors together and says, 'Rejoice with me; I have found my lost sheep.' 7I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.

The Parable of the Lost Coin
8"Or suppose a woman has ten silver coins[a] and loses one. Does she not light a lamp, sweep the house and search carefully until she finds it? 9And when she finds it, she calls her friends and neighbors together and says, 'Rejoice with me; I have found my lost coin.' 10In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents."
Anonymous said…
If a Christian is doing the movie then it is their responsibilty. They have a tool into which they can spread the name of Jesus. And when you chose not to even say his name..then to me you've missed the point. You are adjusting to meet the world and we are not to be of this world.

We both have different opinions about this and thats ok.
Anonymous said…
with all this "gay guy playing a christian part" stuff and boycotting and everything......does anyone realize we are playing into the enemies hand! This is just what he wants...total chaos..the Christian community up in arms, gays, once again try to make their point of being hated by Christians, stirring up bitterness and hatred, ...... the actual opposite of what the whole message of the movie is about....forgiveness.... and a grand opportunity for the world to see into what real forgiveness is about! That's exactly how the devil operates! Let's see it for what it is! I feel I have a different perspective when it comes to gay people. My brother has been gay since 10th grade!! So I have had the experience of being all those things that have been addressed in this and other blogs ......Judgementalism, self righteousness, pridefulness.....just to name a few!!! First of all, I do not support the gay attitiudes, lifestyle and agenda on anything, but i think God, not us, has allowed this guy to be in this movie. (Oooo, I can just see the jaws dropping right now!) The LORD is sovreign! We might not understand His reasoning behind it, but HE knows and that is all we should take rest in!! Gay Activists need the Lord, too! And the Lord knows what to do to get him to that point. The Bible says that He desires for none to perish!!! If this is such an issue, then we need to boycott movies that Tom Cruise, John Travolta, and many others are in because of their occultish beliefs in Scientology, or boycott Brad Pitt and Angolina Jolie for committing adultery.....do you see where I'm going with this. I actually have hours of things to say.............bottom line......#1....We all have a choice to support Christian themed movies and if we don't support it than we have no room to compalin about the movies made in the future.#2...We could boycott half the world for supporting things that are not biblical......let's save our efforts for showing the world what Jesus is really like........I've found the hardest thing to do at times is to LOVE!I know everything Jesus did was out of love! Even discipline was out of love. I'm not a whimp by any means, I do fight for things that I beleive are worthy of the fight, but I beleive we are fighting this fight with the wrong ammunition. Let's ask ourselves the question, and really think about it....What would Jesus do in this situation....we are accountable for our response to Him and Him alone!.......I don't think He would handle it this way....I could be wrong but the God I know, and love and lives inside of me, would probably be all up in the middle of this guys(the gay one's) world! and go to any length to reach him....even letting him star in a "christian" movie to experience the love and forgiveness he has always longed to see and feel, but this time was tangible!! Remember the Word of God says,...."our thoughts are NOT His thoughts and His ways are NOT our ways!"#3...Let's not shoot ourselves in the foot by not supporting this movie..........we will ultimatley, in the long run, pay for our judgement, in more ways than one!
Anonymous said…
So I have had the experience of being all those things that have been addressed in this and other blogs ......Judgementalism, self righteousness, pridefulness.....just to name a few!!!

So are you saying that b/c I dont' agree with your opinion that I'm those things above? I never said I would boycott this movie. I still have no idea what I will do and whether I will see it or not. What gets me the most about this movie is that Jesus' name is not mentioned..he is the way to the Father and his forgivness, him and him only. So why not be bold and just say his name? why be policially correct? Why not tell them the whole story instead of leaving some parts out which leaves an unsaved person left to themselves wondering where to go and whom to go to? Why not say, Jesus is the way, the truth and the life, no one can come to the Father except thru him. Maybe there will be a chance for that at the end of the movie, maybe they will print the words on the screen afterwards which would be great! let me know if they do.

Oh and btw, I have boycotted certain movie stars. Tom Cruise, Sean Penn,Tim Robbins, and Susan Saradon are on my list. Brad and Angelina are in the process of being on my list.
Anonymous said…
So.... since a gay sinner can't act in the lead of a movie, what about gluttons, liars, drug users (sorcery in the Greek), adulterers(let's not forget those thoughts!), and on and on. I'm so glad that Jesus is not as small as most minds are. It's a movie. That's all. Entertainment, people. If you think the gospel is going to hindered by who is playing a character in a fleeting movie, you are mistaken, and sadly. Do you really think God cares about this? Why don't you get to know a gay human being and love him enough to take him to the movie. It might plant a seed in his or her heart. Or maybe the movie will be a dud. But who cares. You will have had an unselfish evening with someone who may need your friendship.
Anonymous said…
Correction. Jesus is bigger than ALL of our minds, not just some. also, is anonymous always Ammye?
Anonymous said…
I can't wait for part 3 Carole! Ron
Anonymous said…
Oh my here's what I think: Not as someone who has taught theatre at a college in Ohio, not as someone who has written and directed full length productions, nor as a Christian, but this is just based off of mere fact of how the industry is ran.

I HIGHLY doubt that the lead actor was asked his sexual orientation when he walked into the casting call. Which BTW are ran by agencies. They get a call from a film company that says "We need a 6 foot 175 lb, blond hair, and blue eyed male." Then the agencies comb thru their files. Anyone fitting this description is contacted and then brought into a casting call. Screen tests are administered and the BEST actor wins....
Now for my Opinon:
Let me ask you this. Nick Saint was probably one of the greatest missionaries on the face of the planet, doesn't his memory deserve to be upheld and portrayed by the BEST actor?

Christian's cry out for family friendly, and good values, movies but alot of times they're filled with horrible acting,cheap props, and terrible camera work. At the end of the production Hollywood stands around and laughs and once again we're portrayed as second best.

We are children of the KING we deserve the best, we should be the best!

Further more, if the son of this great man is producing and working on this movie then he has a lot of say in what happens. It wasn't they "Gay Community" infilterating the casting call. If Steve Saint prefered someone else, as the producer, the one calling the shots and putting up the money, he could have picked someone else. Clearly, he thought this man was the BEST one to portray his father.

Another thought: At screenings open to Hollywood elites, and friends and family of the actors, how many of these people are lost? How many of them would not think about sitting in a church service, but will go to a screening to show thier support? This might just be the only form of gospel that they ever hear.

Jesus did after all, come for the sick, not the well....

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